Vital Vibes Ep. 2 | The Biology We Forgot
In this foundational episode of Vital Vibes, Dr. Kelley Coble and Ian step back from the world of dentistry to explore a bigger question: What if health begins long before symptoms appear? Broadcasting from the California coast, they discuss how modern life has disconnected us from the environmental forces that shaped human biology—sunlight, water, natural rhythms, and the energetic systems that power our cells. From circadian biology and mitochondrial function to the impact of artificial light and our increasingly indoor lifestyles, this conversation lays the groundwork for future episodes on oral health, healing, and quantum biology. Whether you're interested in wellness, longevity, or understanding the deeper causes of disease, this episode introduces the core philosophy behind Vital Vibes: true health begins when we reconnect with the biology we forgot.
Episode Transcript:
SPEAKER_00 0:04
Hi, and welcome back to the Vital Vibes podcast. I'm Dr. Kelly Kobold. I'm here with my husband Ian.
SPEAKER_04 0:10
Hi there.
SPEAKER_00 0:11
And we are actually at the beach today. Yes, we are. I always want to start this podcast by saying that I am a holistic and biological dentist and healthcare professional, but this podcast is for informational purposes only and should never be construed as medical advice. Now that we got that out of the way, let's get started.
SPEAKER_02 0:34
Okay. Well, we're at the beach today, as mentioned. And uh I don't know. Do you want to tell our guests a little bit about the the evolution of episode two?
SPEAKER_00 0:45
Yes, I do. Because we already actually recorded episode two. And um, after thinking about it, and especially after coming to the beach, um, we're here because my daughter's graduating from college. Another biology nerd created from to better this planet.
SPEAKER_03 1:07
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:08
I couldn't be prouder. But coming to the beach really made me think about the foundation for our podcast. In order to understand episode, the original episode two, which was all about teeth, we actually decided that we were gonna create a podcast based on the top five questions-ish that people have about their mouth. But we're really putting the cart before the horse because you cannot understand the things that I would love to talk about without this episode.
SPEAKER_02 1:43
Yeah. So we need a foundation for your scientific view and how you approach your practice and science in order to be able to then have the actual discussion about those topics.
SPEAKER_00 2:02
That's right.
SPEAKER_02 2:03
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 2:04
And this isn't gonna be a science episode. That's that should come later. Um, but there does need to be some foundational information so that you can understand uh what we're talking about in the future. And I apologize um being at the beach, we might have some interruptions.
SPEAKER_02 2:23
I will, yes, I'll equally apologize. We have the uh the sand sweeper doing the boardwalk right outside right now, and we've got uh kids next door that are playing. So if from time to time we uh hit pause and there's a stutter in either audio or video, it's because we didn't want you to hear a screaming toddler, a leaf blower, or a plane taking out a John Wayne airport.
SPEAKER_00 2:49
And wow, how appropriate.
SPEAKER_02 2:50
Yeah, like I'm here. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 2:53
It it really does. I'm I really want this episode to be about helping you understand how the environmental factors that surround you are the one of the most important parts about human biology. And what better place to do this than Southern California? We've got this weird um, you know, the sun and the ocean is paramount for what I want to talk about, water and sun. But then you've also got this like massive population that's like heavily crowded in a very um dense population, incredibly, and so many distractions at any given moment, like people going by, airplanes, boats. We just saw a diesel boat, yeah, like tugboat pushing a barge, but just belching, belching smoke, and in the same moment, we saw a seal uh swimming in the water and coming up on land and some dolphins, and it's like, how does all of this relate to human biology?
SPEAKER_02 3:54
Well, and yeah, where do they come together and where do they conflict with with one another?
SPEAKER_00 4:00
And the foundation for this podcast is like it really does come together with light and water. And I'm not talking about like woo-woo stuff here. No, yes, I am.
SPEAKER_02 4:11
Well, only from the standpoint that in our current society it's become hippie or woo-woo. It's still biologically, scientifically proven, but I feel as our world and our culture and society becomes more and more sort of tied to this rat race and um dependent on technology and phones and everything, it it's forcing them inside into a different world than we were meant to be, and it's become normalized that this is the way that we're supposed to be when it's clearly not.
SPEAKER_00 4:51
It's clearly not. And um the longer I study health and go through my own personal health journeys, the more I realize that what we consider now to be um alternative lifestyles, uh living in nature. I mean, when did that actually become alternative? Because we are natural beings who were born and we developed on planet Earth as organisms of planet earth. So when did it become, here's one of those planes.
SPEAKER_03 5:26
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 5:27
When did it become alternative to live with the rhythm of of the planet that we developed from?
SPEAKER_02 5:35
Mm-hmm. And conversely, when did it become normalized to not be in line with that rhythm?
SPEAKER_00 5:42
When did it become normalized to not be in that rhythm? Yeah. And that's what I want to talk about today because it is the foundation for everything that we're gonna talk about moving forward. Um why why in medicine do we only look at symptoms? Um, and we ignore the environment that our body exists in. I mean, do you ever go to the doctor and they're like, How much time do you spend indoors?
SPEAKER_02 6:15
And I don't think I've ever had that question asked from a medical provider. And I I feel like I have a great primary physician, but I don't, I know that's never been a question that's been asked.
SPEAKER_00 6:25
We do. We have a great primary physician. Um, I have an integrative doctor, and I also have a traditional or what I'm gonna refer to as like a symptoms-based doctor, which is what I would call our traditional healthcare system. I mean, I came up with a bunch of words for symptom-based medicine. Um, some people call it reactive medicine.
SPEAKER_04 6:49
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 6:50
So we're reacting to things that have already happened in the body. Um, some people call it reduction, reductionalism medicine, um, industrialized healthcare. I don't think it really matters. It has a place. Like I'm not gonna argue with some of the things that we have developed in traditional medicine. And I'm certainly not gonna um, you know, poo-poo our primary care doctor. Oh, God, no. He brings a lot to the table.
SPEAKER_02 7:21
Absolutely. But I think we were talking about it in uh anymore. There is a need to not just rely on one single provider anymore. I think the world that we are exposed to and that we are a part of has become infinitely more complex. And to just say that one person can do it all is definitely probably more than is capable of any one individual.
SPEAKER_00 7:45
Yeah, well, I agree with that. And I think I also de disagree with that because we can rely on one person, and that is our own self.
SPEAKER_02 7:56
Okay, but yeah, phrased, yeah, I get that.
SPEAKER_00 7:59
Um but you're right, like in medicine, there is a time and a place for uh, I don't know if we want to call it um symptom-based medicine.
SPEAKER_04 8:11
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 8:12
Let's just do that for now.
SPEAKER_04 8:13
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 8:14
There is a time and a place for that. And I do know that our primary care doctor has the greatest intentions.
SPEAKER_02 8:20
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 8:21
And I'm gonna be honest, I've been in healthcare for over 25 years, and every provider I've ever met, with very, very few exceptions, is so incredibly committed to their work. And they're they're trying to do no harm. Like their whole life, honestly, their whole life revolves around really helping others, dedicated to their medication, their profession or their patience to their craft.
SPEAKER_02 8:49
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 8:50
But I think they have it wrong. And they don't even know they have it wrong.
SPEAKER_02 8:54
It's not deliberate, it's not intentional.
SPEAKER_00 8:56
No, I had it wrong.
SPEAKER_02 8:58
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 8:58
We're we're going off of our training, and training is based on the training before that training. So very few times are people actually like looking outside the box to see like what can we add or subtract from the training that's been there all this time. I mean, I learned dentistry based on the principles of JV Black, who was a dentist, like I'm talking 100 years ago, and we still learn those principles.
SPEAKER_03 9:27
Yeah. Fine. 100 years old.
SPEAKER_00 9:29
They're 100 years old.
SPEAKER_03 9:30
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 9:30
And honestly, um sorry there. There it is.
SPEAKER_02 9:35
We've got the rat pack going by on their bike.
SPEAKER_00 9:38
I'm so happy to see kids outside on their bike. I don't care.
SPEAKER_02 9:41
Yeah, it's pretty crowded. Unsupervised, too. Unsupervised. I know.
SPEAKER_00 9:47
Will happen.
SPEAKER_02 9:48
There we go.
SPEAKER_00 9:49
Just behind. There's their parents. Okay. Um, so yeah, the traditional way that we have practice medicine is helpful. Um, but there has to be some new information coming in. And there is. It just takes so long to integrate it.
SPEAKER_02 10:09
To integrate.
SPEAKER_00 10:10
Honestly, like if you're talking about public health, public health takes like 20 years to get approved and out to the public. Even in this day and age, with all the things we have, big changes don't happen for like 10 to 20 years.
SPEAKER_02 10:27
And all the research that is needed in order for it to be integrated into current modern medicine, it's got to go through so many research and clinical trials, but that's not an easy thing. It is financed by big pharma, yeah. And if someone can't profit off of the research, then who is paying for the research because that's very expensive. And so, and also I know we were talking about like if you've got uh established doctors or physicians or whoever's leading the research, it's most often their students, they're their people studying under them. It's not the high up doing the research. So you've got the people that might have the new ideas, but they're being told how to conduct research from up above from a school of thought that is 30, 40, 50 years older and not, hey, what direction might we be missing here?
SPEAKER_00 11:42
100%. Um clinical trials are extremely expensive. Um, so can we just not forget clinical trials, but can we just minimize the importance that we're putting on clinical trials? Like where's the study? Where's the study? Where's the study? Let's think differently. Let's think where is the independent thinking? I mean, Albert Einstein he just did independent thinking, and he came up with ideas that are more important than almost any researcher has ever done in the lab. And I'm not saying he didn't do lab work, but um let's let's use our our brain, let's think differently. And honestly, you're right. Like the professors who taught me and we did the research with, like, you don't have autonomy in their research project. If you're gonna do a research project with a professor, you're gonna do what what research they want, what research you want them to do. And if you want to get a job, you're gonna be compulsive. Is that the right word? Yeah, you're gonna go with what's the norm. Because if you are really stepping far outside the realm of what's already like considered normal biology, um you're gonna be not accepted.
SPEAKER_03 13:18
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 13:19
And you're not gonna get a job, right?
SPEAKER_02 13:21
So um there's not a whole lot of people that have the uh financial freedom to just well, I'm gonna do whatever I want and study however I want. We all have, including the people that could be doing groundbreaking research, we still have to have that like, well, how am I going to make ends meet? How am I going to put food on the table?
SPEAKER_00 13:41
Some of the greatest research that I've seen come out of the last hundred years, um, hasn't some of it's been recognized. And some of it, like the people almost died crazy because it wasn't until after they passed away that we see the value in their ideas that they had. So, yes, there will be clinical trials that we will discuss in papers in the future in this podcast. But we need to think deeper. And we need to see the limitations that are in our current society with um with big pharma paying for clinical trials, frankly. Um, it's just not gonna give us the perfect answer. It's gonna give us the answers that make money. Okay. And that is the reality, and we all know it, I think.
SPEAKER_03 14:31
And if we don't know it, at least take a take a moment to think about that.
SPEAKER_01 14:37
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 14:38
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 14:40
So before we can talk about fixing the body, we need to talk about like some other things that that make the body run. And um the energetics of the body being more than just um more than just chemistry and treatments being more than just changing the chemistry of the body. So, what is causing the symptoms that people are having? Not like how do we fix the symptom or cover up the symptom? What medication can we deliver to the patient? What chemistry can we alter in the human body to make the patient feel better? But what is deeper? Let's go so much deeper than the chemistry. Let's go down to the intracellular level.
SPEAKER_04 15:36
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 15:36
The actual like um quantum. I I don't want to get scientific, but the quantum physics of what is really going on in the deep cellular level. Because if we understand the very basics of that, I think everything we talk about in this podcast will um will resonate more deeply.
SPEAKER_02 15:57
I think it'll make more sense. Yeah. As we we said, this is sort of laying the foundation. Uh our intro to the podcast last week was sort of what to expect. And now that we've sort of set an expectation and a summary of what we can discuss, okay, now let's set the substructure, the sub-floor that we build upon, the the foundational knowledge that's needed in order to sort of uh proceed.
unknown 16:26
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 16:27
Dive deeper. We but we need that, we need that foundation first.
SPEAKER_01 16:31
I agree. Let's get curious. What is what is upstream of all this other stuff?
SPEAKER_00 16:40
Um let's talk about things like light and our environment and circadium rhythm and water and and let's talk about our mitochondria. Let's really go upstream from the basics of like symptom-based medicine.
SPEAKER_04 17:03
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 17:05
It's just funny to me that we don't think the environment affects us or we don't think about our environment like we used to. Okay. We I think we've just taken for granted that we are earth creatures, and we developed on planet earth with just a couple of constants. And humans developed with really one constant in the last thousands of years, and that is the sun. And we've been taught that the sun is dangerous and harmful, and I want to completely reframe it as we would cannot live without the sun. It is the constant in our universe, it is the way that our body developed. Um, we are photosynthetic beings in a way, much like plants. And I mean, what happens if you take away water and sun and temperature of a plant? It can't, I mean, it just can't function, it can't live. And you see it will, and you see it, you see it die.
SPEAKER_02 18:14
Yeah, even if you took water off the table. Even if you took water off the table.
SPEAKER_00 18:23
No. And I wanna propose that we also photosynthesize in a different way than plants. But nevertheless, like there is no there is no life without the sun.
SPEAKER_02 18:41
We are still deriving energy much like a plant is from the the solar energy that's out there.
SPEAKER_00 18:49
And I'm gonna go deeper, and I'm gonna say that we make our own light within our bodies, and that we our bodies run um similar to a semiconductor. And I don't I don't think we need to really go into what a semiconductor is, but I will say like we all know what one is because it our phone is a semiconductor. Um, and it's just a way of organizing information and transmitting information quickly. And I think our bodies do the same thing, but when that transmission is blocked or not coherent, and that's a word I'll probably use a lot in the future. Blocked coherence, coherence, um then we get disease. So um I want to get away from symptoms-based medicine is not making us healthier. People are sicker than ever before. So I really want to look deeper than just symptoms. What is going on at the cellular level that we have missed the boat on?
SPEAKER_01 20:09
Small stuff. Yeah, I just want to propose, like honestly, that if we're disconnected from our evolution, then we're not gonna thrive.
SPEAKER_00 20:26
So being here at the beach and feeling like the ozone from the water that comes off of the ocean and feeling the sun on our body that makes people feel good. And it's more than just chemical. I believe there's an actual exchange of of photons going on. And again, I don't want to get into the science, but what if vacation was more than just like oh, it's time to relax? What if vacation was actually charging our battery?
SPEAKER_02 21:05
Like physically, physically and not from the Western construct of mentally recharging that most people think of when they go on vacation. I'm mentally taking a opportunity to relax and recharge my battery, but not from that perspective, from the perspective of you actually are recharging the physical battery that is within you.
SPEAKER_00 21:33
Yeah, so it's not just um, oh, I got away from work, I'm spending time with my kids. Um, people are drawn to the beach. And that's because the beach has the two components, the main two components of life water and light. And um getting to the beach does more than just relax us mentally. It physically recharges. charges the the the body on a battery level. And um I don't know that it's the only thing on planet Earth that helps us understand what I'm like trying to explain. There are so many things that we can't physically see, but we do intuitively feel.
SPEAKER_02 22:29
Yeah. And just because we can't physically see it does not mean that it's not going on, that it's not scientifically happening. It it there's plenty of things that we can't see that we know to be true. So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 22:42
I mean x-rays. So if you were to sit in front of an a x-ray machine and be radiated over and over, it will damage your body. You're not going to not see it.
SPEAKER_02 22:56
Yeah. But it's yeah and I think everyone would probably agree with that. There's not going to be any debate there. It's that the the ability to see something happening isn't what makes it real or not real.
SPEAKER_00 23:09
Not not even a little because our ability to see is limited to a certain spectrum of light. But there is a spectrum below and above what we can see that we know is there. It's already been proven um and it affects the way that our body works. And maybe our body sees it even if our eyes don't and I can think of a lot of examples of things that we can't see but we know are true. Um that would help explain like how our body and animal bodies relate to the earth. So the first thing that like came to my mind when we were down here we were watching the birds and I'm like oh migratory birds we it's been shown that they move with the magnet of the planet like they go across oceans um continents like they navigate via something that we can't see. And they still find their way back thousands of miles any migratory animal.
SPEAKER_02 24:19
Yeah we talked about that with uh comeback whales or salmon or um yeah any migratory animal that can pinpoint exactly where they go every year to make new babies.
SPEAKER_00 24:33
Yeah yeah and we thought it was smell so salmon they go back to their birth clayplace via smell maybe I mean that's part of it but it doesn't explain the migratory pattern of other animals and birds um they're not simply following a trail of smell no there's something else going on and we're still trying to figure that out yeah and we know it relates to magnetism and they're following a magnetic pattern of the earth affects birds it affects people um the magnetism of the earth affects people um look at sharks they find their prey through sensing them magnetically um echolocation of bats it's not something we can see but that's how bats see um so it's more than just going to a place and saying ooh this feels weird to me it's it's a real there's a real energetic field around us that affects the way our body acts and it affects our health and if we ignore it we're we're sunk we've already seen that do you want to talk a little bit about how this energy that you're referring to then translates or is related to what this podcast is and what the the way you approach medicine. Yeah I'll try.
SPEAKER_03 26:09
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 26:11
I mean I think I decided a long time ago so during COVID 2020 um you know I had a lot of time on my hands. I was trying to keep my business alive I was still working from home I even went in to see some patients when I had had to go in um but I had a lot of time to make waffles your daily habit I ate waffles every day which is a problem in and of itself no it's a good but I also read like book after book after book on physics and I didn't know why at the time but I do know why now um because quantum physics the books I was reading they explain more about our body than like say the average like say Krub cycle or the things that we think of as being the biological stepping stones of how we make energy um and so I feel like we get our energy and produce our energy from a lot more than just like the basic chemicals. The environment is more important than we realize and I think we've all seen as our environment has changed and continues to change that our bodies have changed and we're not able to keep up with the rapid speed of our changing environment. I mean the light bulb was invented not so long in human history and now we are surrounded by light that we were never designed to to see so something as simple as the lighting that you live in has a tremendous effect on the cells and the mitochondria in your body and if we don't understand those basic premises it makes it hard for me to explain um tooth.
SPEAKER_03 28:31
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 28:31
But then explain a little bit of it because I think we touch upon it but give our listeners a little bit more of an idea of of that energy. Okay well then how does the light or ocean or water how does it affect these things that then in turn affect our mitochondria which is the what the energy producer of our bodies that's right um the internal health of our cells affects every part of our biology and our health so you can't have healthy heart or healthy teeth or a healthy internal system if the cellular level is damaged.
SPEAKER_00 29:27
And there are things in our environment that are damaging the cellular level of our health that we can't see or we didn't know was an issue. So light that we were never designed to live under I mean we evolved under the sun we didn't evolve under a light bulb so our body is seeing that light very differently than it used to when we lived outside.
SPEAKER_02 30:00
And I know some of my patients they are such hard workers like we live in a tech heavy oh yeah the Seattle areas with Amazon, Microsoft, um Boeing you name it, we have all of the big heavy tech hitters and uh with that means a lot of people that have to work indoors 12 plus hours a day and they're not in front of a window and they're in front of a computer screen instead. So um let's use that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 30:31
Let's talk about people who don't see the light of day.
SPEAKER_02 30:34
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 30:35
Cause a lot of my patients they they get up at the crack of dawn they're on their computers from the minute they wake up they're not waking up with the natural rhythm of the planet okay they're going to work in an artificial environment artificial light they never go outside they don't see the sunrise so let's unpack two things there.
SPEAKER_02 31:02
Yeah uh you're talking about not starting off your day with natural light so that's going into circadian rhythm.
SPEAKER_00 31:08
That's right.
SPEAKER_02 31:08
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 31:09
Explain a little bit about that for us please so um well we all here's another thing you can't see but we've all felt it and that would be jet lag. So when the rhythm of our body is different from the place that we're at when we travel across the world our body chemistry gets messed up.
SPEAKER_02 31:34
Yeah um we feel tired we feel off because we're not following the circadian rhythm that we're used to yeah and what sets that circadian rhythm usually light light so the rise of the sun the rise of the sun exposure of the sun at the start of the day that sets the body's clock in motion knowing that okay now the day has begun.
SPEAKER_00 32:02
That's right and we only have so many sunrises in our life and when we miss the sunrise we miss the body being told that it's time to start certain processes. Okay so then if we're missing that that sunrise we're missing that biological cue yes physics cue yeah that the day has begun and that already is starting us off in a bad place but then we sit inside without a window and we're under artificial light instead of natural light um what does that do to the body I mean you can imagine that things are not done the same in the body the the you miss the sunrise you're inside you might have a window but it's got a coating on it to protect you from the sun so you're not actually getting any of the the physical rays from the sun that we're used to then you go into your job inside under artificial light you might skip your lunch because most our patients do they just work inside and then by the time they leave work it can be dark and they've been looking at a computer all day so not only have they missed the natural um radiation and I want to use that as a good word from the sun but they have been inundated with artificial light which there's flicker that you can't see and there are things that disturb the biology that again we can't see.
SPEAKER_02 33:57
I know there was a lot of um work done by uh Dr. Glenn Jeffrey on this the quality of light and how that affects us especially in the modern world with like LED uh light being the almost exclusive source if you were inside now and how that differs from incandescent light and before that you know torch light light by fire. Sure. And what is it that in like a situation that we're talking about of you know a patient that's working in a tech building what is happening if they're just under LED light versus uh well you know 20 or 30 years ago it was incandescent but at least incandescent was a better form of uh light source and uh but we've pivoted to LED because it's more energy efficient but that doesn't mean that it's a healthier alternative.
SPEAKER_00 34:57
No. I would say it's much unhealthier. Yeah we aren't getting the photon balance that our bodies need. And so if you don't follow the rhythm of the sun you'll pay your body pays a price and your sleep will be disturbed and at the cellular level your mitochondria can get less efficient.
SPEAKER_02 35:28
Because they require energy of a certain wavelength in order to recharge. Essentially yeah and if we're only giving it light of a wavelength that is artificial and not what we were intended to have of a full spectrum that the mitochondria the energy producers of our body are not getting the energy that they need in order to power the body to keep it healthy.
SPEAKER_00 35:58
That's that is in essence okay what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_04 36:03
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 36:04
And not just are we not getting the photon exchange that we're looking for from the sun but we're also surrounded by blue light. So light comes in wavelengths um and some wavelengths being better for our body than others and we're constantly sitting in front of a screen a phone anything that emits blue light confuses the natural rhythm of our body that shorter wavelength light yeah yeah and so let's let's make matters a little bit worse let's throw some kids into the mix okay because kids don't have the myelin support that adults have um in their body so they're gonna be a lot more sensitive to um the wrong wavelengths of light okay and so we're using um you know we've all put our kids in front of a screen when we're busy oh god yes or when we go out to dinner or it just has become so commonplace now that we just assume and no one here wants anything less than the best for their kids. But if you don't know you don't know and so the more we rely on the screen for entertaining our children the more we're gonna see the problems that we're seeing with the development of kids today.
SPEAKER_02 37:36
So not just for adults but for for children as well especially for children.
SPEAKER_00 37:40
So I know we've been talking about you know our our our patients or our friends that are working indoors but now we're we're carrying it even deeper to uh how this light also affects yeah uh the development of young minds it's even it's exponential in kids and kids are on their who are on their screen all day kids who are on their phone all day they're in front of a computer all day they're in school surrounded by the electrical noise I'm gonna call it of a building that's heavily reliant on um electricity we have created a perfect storm for our kids and I'll tell you you know if you look in the literature there is no mention of autism in indigenous population it's not only been created as a result of the lifestyle that we have now but I would go so far as to say um it is it's the cause and I think we're gonna see that exponentially we already have I think I saw a study that in California which I would consider I love it I love the beach here. Yeah but with all the electrical noise and the disruption in the rhythm of our body I think one in five children in California have been diagnosed with some form of autism. And I know the diagnosis has gotten better but to me that's that's pretty staggering.
SPEAKER_02 39:29
Especially if you compare it to as you said aboriginal societies or the statistics of say 50 years ago.
SPEAKER_00 39:37
Yeah I've seen a change in my patients yes a big change um in the frequency in the the the number of them for sure I would say when a young adult or child walks into my practice now um there's a very high probability that they are suffering from some form of autism.
SPEAKER_02 39:58
Yeah I'd almost say as high as 50% at at least yeah and I I did not see that when I first started practicing.
SPEAKER_00 40:07
No there's been a change and I think um we've all seen it so it's affecting our children more than it's affecting even us as adults they're just more sensitive not having the myelin protection that we have uh talk a little bit about myelin protection. Uh I will little cliff um they haven't developed their myelin sheath um I and don't quote me on the age but until their early 20s.
SPEAKER_02 40:44
Okay and what does the myelin sheath do?
SPEAKER_00 40:47
It's a protection of the nervous system. Okay. So um they haven't they don't have as much built-in protection against the blue light that we do as adults.
SPEAKER_04 41:00
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 41:01
And even you know as adults we don't have the protection as well because that's we were never designed to to live under the light and and live inside just like we were never designed to eat some of the things we're eating. Yeah we were never designed to live without the sun and we were never designed to be sprayed with sunblock. Yep that's one of the the biggest myths that I feel like we've been living under is that we need to use um we need to stay out of the sun and shield ourselves from the life giving force of the sun.
SPEAKER_02 41:44
Yeah I know I mean myself included have used sunblock my my whole life because too much of a good thing can be a bad thing. Yeah and there you know skin cancer is definitely a a fear a a factor that needs to be weighed in on but there's negatives that are coming from the chemicals that you're putting on trying to block it and also the blocking of all of that energy isn't a good thing either.
SPEAKER_00 42:15
I think I'd go as far as to say that we're blocking the wrong type of rays.
SPEAKER_02 42:20
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 42:20
And I I would love to get into that in the future but um we are spraying chemicals on our skin that our skin is absorbing and that's what sunblock is it's the skin absorbing the chemicals to keep out the rays of the sun and frankly we need those rays to run the the machine that we are and if you block those rays and you also throw on some chemicals you can be doing your body a big disservice and the most deadly forms of skin cancer don't come from getting tan in the sun.
SPEAKER_02 43:06
No they're they're coming from um and they're coming in parts of the body that aren't even exposed to sun necessarily some of the most deadly ones.
SPEAKER_00 43:13
That's really smart of you yeah so am I saying go get a go in the sun and get a big sunburn and call it good you're healthy no a sunburn is damaging we know it's damaging it's not what we want for our body and it's one of the worst things that can happen to our body we don't want a sunburn am I saying build melanin in your skin and get exposed in healthy doses to the sun I I'm saying that is imperative um if we are especially sunrise sun I think is imperative to the cellular function in our in our bodies So I would propose that we are in the sun without any sunblock in gradual increments so that we can build the melanin in our body that we need to function in the sun without burning. And we avoid the midday sun. Animals do.
SPEAKER_03 44:25
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 44:25
Lions don't go play at high noon. They lay under a tree, they lay in the shade. And I think there are zero mistakes that nature makes.
SPEAKER_02 44:48
And there's nothing wrong with still getting the sun in the middle of the day, but maybe it's with a long sleeve shirt or a hat to protect more of that from the you know the high UV index uh light.
SPEAKER_01 45:03
Yes. Kind of.
SPEAKER_03 45:05
Kind of.
SPEAKER_01 45:06
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 45:09
Um we want some of that.
SPEAKER_02 45:13
Oh yeah, no, no. I'm just saying if you're gonna be outside for like eight hours in the middle of the middle of the day.
SPEAKER_00 45:19
If you are a European person, your ancestry goes back to northern Europe, um, being out all day in the sun suddenly is you know, it's just not gonna work. Um but if you have a gradual adaption to a certain amount of that sun radiation that is necessary to run the system of the body.
SPEAKER_01 45:48
Okay. Yeah. Have we have we got the sun part down?
SPEAKER_02 45:59
Oh, I think I mean this is something I think that's going to continue to be a talking point, and we're going to get further and deeper into the subject in subsequent episodes. But again, I think this was the purpose to lay the foundation. So, yes, we're not going to go into the deep science on these things today.
SPEAKER_00 46:19
And for all the nerds who um will be joining us, I would love to go into the deep science of um how the photons are necessary for our body, much like they are for plants. But I did see like a lot of um a lot of hype recently around red light therapy. And um, you know, everyone's got those masks, those um facial very trendy right now. UV masks where you look like I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 46:51
I don't know if they're creepy. I think that's yeah.
SPEAKER_00 46:54
They're creepy and everyone's got one on. And I think that the premise behind them is smart. Uh red light does help with a lot of uh function in our cells. And to be able to put red light in front of us can be super healing. But I think when you put electric charge, even red light therapy, like right on your face, you're introducing a world of other problems with electromagnetic forces and energy.
SPEAKER_02 47:32
I think there's also an argument there um with it being right on your skin. Like if someone's doing that, really pay attention to the quality of the product. Not all things are created equal, they never have been. Yeah. You can go to a restaurant and get a meal for three dollars, you can go to a restaurant and spend $300 on a meal, they're going to be different meals. Uh, I think the same thing goes with anything like this. Um, and there's going to be a quality difference, and um not to saying that cost dictates quality. Sometimes it's usually a very good metric, um, at least on some levels, and um make sure that if you are using those, that they are not also causing damage at the same time.
SPEAKER_00 48:20
Yeah, so if you're getting a ton of um let's call it electromagnetic interference, radiation, radiation.
SPEAKER_01 48:30
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 48:30
Um the benefit to wearing the red light is is moot.
SPEAKER_02 48:36
Yeah, being offset.
SPEAKER_00 48:38
Yeah. So let's look for some maybe battery-powered um masks. They seem to be less electromagnetically active. Um, let's look for brands that promote low, what I would call EMFs or magnetic frequencies. And um, maybe we're not wearing it right here. You know, maybe it's maybe it's here.
SPEAKER_04 49:03
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 49:04
Um, so we're still getting the benefit from the red light, but we're not getting the other side items that might go with it. Yeah. So I love red light therapy. I love the thought of like infrared saunas. Um, there's so much benefit and healing that comes from that therapy. But it's not to replace the natural sun. But if you are one of those people and your lifestyle is that you cannot get outside during the day, I think it's it's better than nothing.
SPEAKER_02 49:44
It's a wonderful supplement that, yeah, if your lifestyle means that you're five days a week, all day in inside and not getting light, that is this something that could benefit me holistically to yes, then it is a wonderful everything is about, and I think that's what about this podcast is focused on is what can we do to move the needle towards the most positive change, towards the most positive lifestyle and health that someone can have. And it, yeah, not everyone has the luxury of being able to be outside eight hours every day because of their career, because of their responsibilities, their commitments. But what can we do? What can they do in order to offset some of the negatives or to improve the quality of life? Um otherwise.
SPEAKER_00 50:40
Let's be careful with that.
SPEAKER_02 50:42
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 50:43
Because just saying, okay, I'm gonna have this lifestyle and I'm gonna offset it with a red light panel and and I'm gonna be good. I think that's where we've been going.
SPEAKER_03 50:57
Sure. And so more of a return to what used to be the norm.
SPEAKER_00 51:05
Yeah, I would question um, and I have questioned my career based on those very scenarios. Um I would question whether I I mean, what is the end game when you do work inside five days a week and you never see the morning, afternoon, or most of the evening sun? The end game is what? Um money for your family. But if the overall health of your family is poor because you don't have time to live naturally with the natural resources that our planet has, then I think the bigger picture is that maybe you question how you can rearrange your lifestyle. Like a reprioritization, a reprioritization.
SPEAKER_02 52:01
And I'm not saying like quit your job and light it all on fire and and maybe.
SPEAKER_00 52:09
Maybe, but it doesn't make sense to me that like we're living so unnaturally that we're gonna keep working the way we're working, and we're gonna take a bunch of supplements to cover up the underlying deficiency in our body, and we're gonna try to throw some red light therapy at it, and and then we're gonna go and take some chemicals to attempt to rebalance.
SPEAKER_02 52:35
Supplement, supplement.
SPEAKER_00 52:37
It's the I wanna propose that that might not be the right path.
SPEAKER_02 52:41
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 52:41
And that supplements in general may not be the right path.
SPEAKER_02 52:45
I think it's going back a little bit also to what we were talking about in uh previous episode of um suppression-based uh suppression of symptoms-based medicine of well, this my body's getting inflamed. Give me this medication to stop the inflammation. It's like, well, what's causing the inflammation?
SPEAKER_00 53:05
What's causing it?
SPEAKER_02 53:06
So it sounds like what you're saying is similarly, rather than do more supplements, take this pill, take this vitamin, take this therapy, take this, uh evaluate the underlying problem and address the underlying problem rather than suppressing the symptoms rather than masking what the real issue is, and that's we've moved too far away from how we were ever programmed to function.
SPEAKER_00 53:41
We have.
SPEAKER_02 53:42
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 53:43
And if you ask me why you have tooth decay, um and you is it carbohydrates, that's part of it.
SPEAKER_04 53:51
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 53:52
But I can't explain to you how to have a healthier mouth and as a result a healthier body without addressing these other factors because I can give you a pharmaceutical in an attempt to help with your tooth decay. Yeah. In the past, it's been fluoride. Um, I can I can repair your tooth, but if the underlying physiological issues are not resolved, I really haven't done anything that's gonna long-term move the needle, as you said.
SPEAKER_02 54:29
Yeah. Um, I'm gonna pause real quick. We've got someone that has been on their phone. I'm gonna shut the door.
SPEAKER_00 54:34
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 54:34
We'll be back in just one second. Sounds good. And we can pick up where we were talking about uh tooth decay and everything. So my apologies, we'll be right back. Let me know when you're good.
SPEAKER_00 54:45
I'm good.
SPEAKER_02 54:45
Okay. Sorry about that. We had uh a loud neighbor that their phone call just wouldn't end, so I wanted to uh fix that noise. So apologies there. Uh I think where we left off, you were talking about an inability to treat tooth decay just based on maybe too many carbohydrates, although that is necess also a factor, but it's not the only factor. So uh you pick up from where we left off.
SPEAKER_00 55:12
I would love to. Okay. So it's my job to help people have a healthy oral environment so that they have a healthy body environment. But our health is also about, you know, light, we talked about sleep, we haven't talked about, but we will. Uh, stress, food quality, um, toxins, and the energy that surrounds us. And I can't get someone to stop having tooth decay if those things aren't looked at.
SPEAKER_02 55:56
Okay. So it's not just about brushing teeth and diet.
SPEAKER_00 56:00
No, because I have a lot of patients and they'll tell me they do everything right. They brush, and floss, they floss, they eat right, they work out, they work out, and I think that's the assumption that we've been under that that's it.
SPEAKER_02 56:16
You do those things and you're healthy.
SPEAKER_00 56:19
And they're frustrated, and and they, you know, they've kind of given up hope on it because they see their spouse who doesn't brush and they don't have cavities. And but I think what we need to do is be willing to look at the more important factors that underlie our health. Okay. And moving forward when we start talking about like tooth details, it will make a lot more sense that um there's so much more that we need to be aware of than than where we've traditionally been. So um, you know, we're not separate from nature. And our biology responds to light and rhythm and sound. And when we stop fighting that and we start realizing that we want to get back to that balance, then I think that's where truth true health begins. Okay. Yeah. And that's just the beginning.
SPEAKER_04 57:24
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 57:24
Nice. I know you had mentioned um in a conversation we had had previously about uh importance of water and energy and as it relates. Is that something you want to save for a later time, or is that something you'd like to touch on really quickly?
SPEAKER_00 57:39
I'd like to touch on it really quickly. So if you ask me what the two most important factors in our environment are, I'm gonna say light and water.
SPEAKER_02 57:48
Okay. We we touched on light. Um, again, just the tip of the iceberg uh for the last 40 minutes or so. Um, so and the second one being being water.
SPEAKER_00 57:59
Water. You don't find life where there's no light, and you don't find life where there's no water. And so um two prerequisites. The two prerequisites and water it plays a role in everything in our body.
SPEAKER_04 58:16
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 58:17
And so I want to talk a lot about water in the future, and not just drinking water.
SPEAKER_04 58:23
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 58:23
I want to talk about how our body uses water and the that the the forms of water that we're used to thinking about. Um, there's more to it than just like staying hydrated.
SPEAKER_04 58:38
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 58:40
So um there are a lot of things to unpack in the future here.
SPEAKER_02 58:44
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 58:45
And that's what Vital Vibes is for.
SPEAKER_02 58:47
So this is digging in a little bit more to the physics behind water then?
SPEAKER_00 58:51
Digging into the physics behind water. Okay. And digging into the physics behind sleep and light and magnetism. And that's what Vital Vibes is. Okay. So I can't wait to begin to unpack it, you know, in our conversations between you and I.
SPEAKER_02 59:15
And that's why we also have guests as well, like, you know, are experts in their fields in order to dive into a little bit more of the nuance and the detail and the research that backs that up.
SPEAKER_00 59:28
That's right.
SPEAKER_02 59:28
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 59:30
So I hope that sort of clears up like why we decided not to just dive into like the tooth conversation and be like, this is root canals or this is dental implants, because the reason that those things work or don't work um is deep. It's way deeper than what I could have just explained in the podcast that we tried to make. But I think if we start to look at and understand um the underlying influences and the importance on our body, then we will start to understand why those things work or don't work in our mouth and our body.
SPEAKER_04 1:00:09
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 1:00:10
And that's why I made this podcast because I mean, I've been a dentist for a long time. I could have just kept being a dentist and I could have just kept doing tooth repair. You know, there's plenty of that out there.
SPEAKER_05 1:00:23
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:00:24
But um, but through my own experiences with my health and with this just like underlying excitement about physics. Um, I just started to put more together. And I know like we're on to something big here. And um intuitively, I think people understand that that what we're have been doing isn't working. I mean, we're just getting sicker.
SPEAKER_02 1:00:53
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 1:00:54
And do you think that's been a recent thing?
SPEAKER_00 1:00:57
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 1:00:58
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 1:00:58
I do.
SPEAKER_03 1:00:59
And what how long?
SPEAKER_00 1:01:03
Um, I think it's become exponentially more obvious since we started having, you know, our whole life revolve around our cell phone and our computer. I think it's been underlying for a long time. Um, the nutrition was getting worse, the the working hours were getting longer, but now we're really hitting a, I would say, one of the most critical moments in human history for our health.
SPEAKER_02 1:01:36
And it's we're we're at a fork in the road, and I think it's uh the direction that we as a civilization choose. We're kind of at that crossroads, but it's also our time as individuals to make a choice of how we want to participate in that decision, or how whether we want to be part of the group that goes right at the crossroads instead of left or left at the crossroads instead of right.
SPEAKER_00 1:02:11
Um it could be, I mean, some people have proposed it's as big as the next extinction model. And do we go left or do we go right?
SPEAKER_04 1:02:23
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:02:24
Um, but I think we're getting to a point where we have to make some really big decisions.
SPEAKER_02 1:02:30
And I think they those decisions are best made when they're informed.
unknown 1:02:35
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 1:02:35
And they're taking in as much information as possible and not just putting blinders on to this is what I'm being told, this is what I'm being fed, and that's what I'll do. No, it's now it's and it's not saying that you have to question every little thing in life, but when it comes to your health and your lifestyle and the your family, those are such important things that I think they're worthy of questioning.
SPEAKER_00 1:03:06
Yeah, it's time to get curious.
SPEAKER_02 1:03:08
To get curious and to research and not just be spoon-fed. Yes. What you're going to do and how you're going to behave. No, pay attention and and listen and learn, and then make your decision based on the information that you've had.
SPEAKER_00 1:03:30
I want to I want to show people that maybe there's a different way to move forward.
SPEAKER_04 1:03:35
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:03:36
And to give you things to think about, especially if you're experiencing any of the problems, you know, that we've been touching on, to give you things for you to go and research and and make your own decisions with more information than we are traditionally being given. And if you're not, if you're a doctor or healthcare provider, and you're not helping your patient see this other side, then you're complicit. And um, and I I don't want to be that.
SPEAKER_04 1:04:16
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 1:04:17
That's not why I that's not why I'm a medicine profession.
SPEAKER_04 1:04:21
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:04:22
Um, it is my passion to help people and to help people understand their health.
SPEAKER_02 1:04:28
And this is the way that you think is best to help those patients, to help those people, to help our listeners even.
SPEAKER_00 1:04:36
I think it's imperative.
SPEAKER_02 1:04:37
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:04:37
And I won't be complicit.
SPEAKER_02 1:04:39
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 1:04:40
And and that's what Vital Vibes is about.
SPEAKER_04 1:04:42
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 1:04:43
So uh now we can move forward, I think, into diving deeper into some of these topics and how they relate to your teeth and your.
SPEAKER_02 1:04:52
Yeah. And I think having episodes that focus on one thing at a time and really get a deep dive into those. Um, excuse me.
SPEAKER_03 1:05:02
Um sort of the next step.
SPEAKER_00 1:05:06
I think so too.
SPEAKER_03 1:05:07
Yeah. Anything else you want to touch on?
SPEAKER_00 1:05:10
No, I mean, I think it's just I think the listeners and the people who are watching our podcast. Um I think this might be a great segue for you to take control of you know where you're headed in your own health. And I'm hoping we can help in that journey.
SPEAKER_03 1:05:36
Awesome.
SPEAKER_00 1:05:37
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 1:05:38
Um, well, thanks for joining us. Uh, I'll just put a couple of sort of the producer notes here for at the end of the uh podcast. Thank you for for joining us. We really appreciate you listening. Um, this is something that we are both very passionate about.
SPEAKER_04 1:05:55
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 1:05:56
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SPEAKER_00 1:06:59
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SPEAKER_02 1:07:02
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SPEAKER_00 1:07:16
Let's go to the beach, okay. Bye all. Bye.